A Gargoyles Threesome with Greg Weisman and Thom Adcox

Many of you don’t know that I am the voice of many famous cartoon characters, including the magical Angela on Gargoyles. Today, we have not only the creator of Gargoyles, Greg Weisman, but one of my favorite co stars, Thom Adcox, with me, diving into the sexier side of animation and making today’s episode my first threesome with this Gargoyles Gathering.

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SPEAKER_06 0:08

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to another episode of Lies My Vagina Told Me. Today on the podcast, I am having my first threesome. Okay, that's a lie, but it is the first time that I've had two guests on at the same time. So you know, emotionally, it feels very similar. Now, some of you may not know this because I usually let my vagina do most of the talking, but I am actually the voice of several animated characters. I'm Pi in the anime Three by Three Eyes. I'm Monique, the French bitch scientist in Godzilla, who says things like Godzilla will be destroyed. And I am the fierce and loyal and magical Angela in the beloved animated series Gargoyles. Joining me today are two legends of that universe. The creator of Gargoyles himself, Greg Weissman, who also brought us Young Justice, the spectacular Spider-Man and Star Wars Rebels, and his Gargoyles comic series from Dynama is on sale now. And my wonderful co-star, Tom Adcox, who not only voiced the lovable Lexington on Gargoyles, but also appeared in Young Justice and the Spectacular Spider-Man. And fun fact, he got to die in the arms of Bet Midler in For the Boys, which frankly is how most of us would like to go. So please welcome Mr. Greg Weissman and Tom AdCops. Woo! Gentlemen.

SPEAKER_02 1:38

Hello, hello, hello.

SPEAKER_06 1:40

Welcome, welcome to my first threesome. Yeah, I've never done two at the same time. Actually, I had a foursome when I was a virgin. I don't know how. I don't know how that pronounced. Yeah, my my friend shtup both of them.

SPEAKER_01 1:53

Still a virgin when it was over?

SPEAKER_06 1:55

That's my still a virgin when it was over, you know. I was saving it for that guy Michael Jackson. But anyway, why I wanted to do this amazing episode is we just recently celebrated the 30th anniversary of Gargoyles. And I'm so proud to be part of this uh franchise and everything. And I were with our grand poopah, Greg Weisman, uh, who started it all. And I wanted to know if you could talk a bit about what working on gargoyles was like for you as the creator.

SPEAKER_01 2:28

Gargoyles was terrific. When I was an executive at uh the Walt Disney Company, uh I was director of series development at Walt Disney Television Animation, and we pitched the show to uh Eisner three times before he said yes.

SPEAKER_06 2:47

Wow.

SPEAKER_01 2:48

Three times. Yeah. And uh finally got a green light. And during all that time I was making all these decisions, so I became so invested in the show that I went to my bosses and I said, I want to produce this. And their attitude was, well, no, um, you've never produced a show before. And I said, That's true, but I'd never been a development executive before a few years ago, and that worked out okay. So uh give me a shot, and they came back and said, Okay, you can do it, but we're not letting you quit your current job. So for 10 months I had to um do two full-time jobs simultaneously and get paid for the lesser of the two. Uh Hollywood.

SPEAKER_03 3:33

Hollywood.

SPEAKER_01 3:34

Yeah, and we made 13 episodes on a 10-month sliding schedule for season one. Tommy and I did with a bunch of other people. And then came season two, where they wanted 52 episodes on a 10-month sliding schedule.

SPEAKER_00 3:50

Among other things, we brought in Bridget to play Angela. This is Angela, my daughter.

SPEAKER_03 3:59

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 4:01

And uh Angela actually appears in season one as an egg. Uh an egg.

SPEAKER_06 4:07

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 4:07

Death started as an egg. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 4:09

Um not everybody can say that.

SPEAKER_01 4:12

Once it became 52 episodes in 10 months, I said to my bosses, I can't do both of these jobs. So I moved from the full-time to being a producer to being on the quote-unquote talent side of the desk instead of the executive side of the desk. And that's where I've been ever since.

SPEAKER_06 4:30

Tom, we could not imagine anyone else working on this show with us. I mean, he was our fearless leader, don't you agree?

SPEAKER_02 4:37

Oh, yeah, absolutely. He's the best. He's the best boss, he's the best writer, he's the best friend. He's awesome.

SPEAKER_06 4:46

He's just the most wonderful guy. And I'll tell you that I was thinking about what I was going through while while I was making gargoyles, because I'd never done a cartoon before. Jamie Thomason brought me in. I had never done anything. He said, You have a great voice, and and you could be Angela. And I walked into the recording studio, and I was sitting next to all my favorite fucking stars growing up. I mean, can you name some besides my daddy, the great silver throat Keith David, who was in this cast? It was crazy.

SPEAKER_01 5:21

Well, your mom was Marina Seertis, played Demona. Keith David, as you said, was Goliath, your dad. Um, but the trio of young gargoyles were uh Tom Adcox uh playing Lexington, Jeff Bennett playing Brooklyn, and Bill Fogerbaki playing Broadway, who eventually became your fiance. Um and uh then we had Edward Asner as Hudson.

SPEAKER_06 5:44

Oh my, I mean God, I got to sit next to Edward Asner. I don't think he liked me, but I I was so like blowing.

SPEAKER_01 5:54

I think he loved you. We had Sally Richardson as Elisa Mazza, we had uh Jonathan Frakes as David Xanatos, uh Frank Walker as Bronx, um, and then the guest stars included John Reese Davies, David Warner, Terry, Michelle Nichols, CCH Pounder, Tim Curry.

SPEAKER_06 6:16

Um I missed the Tim Curry episode. Tim Curry was on our show a man.

SPEAKER_02 6:22

Yeah, he was on a lot. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 6:25

Where was I? What the fuck? Oh my god. Guys, it's crazy. I don't know if it was for our cartoon or it could have been for Godzilla, but I remember they showed me the model, I think. And I and I said, guys, she's she's flat chesting. You gotta go home and get me some boo-boobs. And they won and they do some boo-boobs. Because here's the other thing. I know you guys have all been action heroes already, but this was my well, you should, Greg. This is my first. Just imagine that. Fuck it, list with boobs.

SPEAKER_02 6:56

With so great.

SPEAKER_06 6:57

Gargle boobs. So, okay, so the show is iconic every year, twice a year, and you probably get it ten times a year. There's a rumor that it's coming back. Coming back is live action, which we, you know, well, like, I don't know how that lighting would work. Live action, animated. Everybody wants fucking gargoyles back. I mean, there's such a universe around it. So you would be the man with the plan that knows if any of this is real and what's happening in that world.

SPEAKER_01 7:23

Way back in the day, they were developing a live action movie for at least a decade, they went through five scripts that I know about. Wow. Though they never let me read any of them.

SPEAKER_06 7:37

Does live action mean that this 58-year-old tries to play the 18-year-old Angela, or we get recast?

SPEAKER_01 7:44

CGI or recast. Yeah, yeah. I mean the gargoyles would be CGI, so you could still in theory, uh, I mean, again, they're not putting me in charge of this. Which is a mistake. Unfortunately. Which is the first book. So, but I I don't see any reason why uh both of you, Keith, etc., everyone playing a gargoyle wouldn't be able to just continue to voice their characters. I don't know why you wouldn't do that.

SPEAKER_05 8:11

I gotta I gotta worship this week.

SPEAKER_01 8:17

Would be the ones who are playing humans because it's 32 years.

SPEAKER_06 8:21

Well, Sally don't age. Sally don't age, she could probably do Sally could direct every episode. She absolutely could now, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 8:29

Me and Jonathan Fraser.

SPEAKER_06 8:32

It's it's kind of amazing. It's kind of amazing. Well, okay, so listen, our fans know the show and and they support the show. And I don't know if all of them know what it's like to go to these cons that we get invited to. And I haven't done many, Tom. I don't know if you've done them all. I've only done like three.

SPEAKER_02 8:51

I've done several.

SPEAKER_06 8:53

And the first one was many years ago in Burbank. I went because I could drive there without going on the freeway. I went to Burbank, and I don't think you guys remember this, but my first encounter was a fan who had a tail surgically sewn on to his back to mimic one of the gargoyles. And I was like, ah, this is above my pay grade.

SPEAKER_02 9:16

Show it to you?

SPEAKER_01 9:17

He could see it on his on his hands.

SPEAKER_06 9:19

He gave it a whip.

SPEAKER_01 9:23

I've seen a lot of people wearing tails.

SPEAKER_06 9:25

Okay, I may have gotten that wrong. The other thing is that they know so much more than me. Now, Tom, when they say, hey, in episode 272, when you were on Avalon and you I don't fucking remember. Do you?

SPEAKER_02 9:37

No, I don't remember. Oh, some things I remember, but a lot of it I don't. The fans seem to know way more than I know. I mean, it's crazy.

SPEAKER_06 9:47

It's amazing. They know everything, as do you, Grand Pooba.

SPEAKER_02 9:51

Yeah, Greg knows. I've forgotten a lot.

SPEAKER_01 9:55

But I remember a lot, too. We have a a podcast call uh both of you guested on it called uh Voices from the Eerie, where we go through the show episode by episode. But I'm always re-watching those episodes right before we record the podcast. Oh, me too. Counting on my memory.

SPEAKER_03 10:15

Oh, me too. Me, nothing too.

SPEAKER_02 10:18

They asked questions like, Oh, do you remember that scene where you were flying next to Angela? Uh, what were you thinking when you were like, oh my god? Uh and I make something up, of course.

SPEAKER_06 10:30

Uh well, yeah. Uh me too. I'm a very good bullshitter. I've learned to make things up. But I will say, for the 30th anniversary, we all showed up. That was fun. We all showed up to the con in Minneapolis for the 30th anniversary. And I had so much fun. It was the first time I did it mainly because Tom, you were my partner in crime.

SPEAKER_03 10:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 10:52

We got to sit at the tables and sign autographs and sign my action figure. And and you you were like um, I don't know, you were like school because you do this all the time, and I hadn't, and it was so fun to have a partner in crime. But oh my god, the commitment, the costumes, the people that showed up, they were the loveliest people. Nobody was weird. No, but maybe they were weird, but wonderfully weird.

SPEAKER_01 11:16

We're weird too, so we're weird too, exactly.

SPEAKER_06 11:19

But they were so fucking gracious and funny. But um, I had to go up. We had one night, I can't remember, I think it was like when we were being introduced, and we were asked all these questions. We had to answer three questions with our with our lovely hosts, and I had to admit in front of a Minneapolis audience that I once turned down Prince or Michael Jackson, and I thought they were gonna start throwing shit at me because he is a god. He is a god. He was in head-to-toe polka dot, and my mother had the same outfit. So I hope I get a hall pass. Um, okay, so there's a sexy component to uh these cons. Like, it's a very free environment for people that love this world. There's no judgment, it's inclusive, there's handicapped people, gay people, plushies. They're it pretty representative of everyone, right, Greg?

SPEAKER_02 12:10

Yeah. Yeah, generally. Somehow I got involved in a furry, a furry, one of the furry conventions. Uh-huh. I know it was so amazing because I would see the furries and they were really animated. They'd be talking with their friends, and then later I would see them like sitting out in the lobby, and they would have their head off, and they would just be sitting there very quiet, like they were so introverted themselves. But when they were in their costumes, they were alive and and you could see them joking, and it was so so cool to see that.

SPEAKER_06 12:44

That's incre I have a question. Are furries the same kind of thing as plushies? Like, is it a sexual orientation?

SPEAKER_01 12:51

I plushies I think of as toys. I'm not sure what plushies are out of context.

SPEAKER_06 12:57

Yeah, because they're called furries.

SPEAKER_05 12:59

That that that world is.

SPEAKER_01 13:08

I'm not an expert on it. Um but I I think there can be a sexual component to it, but you have to be. Yeah. Um it's just I think for a lot of people it's just fun.

SPEAKER_06 13:20

You sure it's not just cold Canadians?

SPEAKER_01 13:24

I don't know how don't rule anything out, you know. I don't know how I ended up there.

SPEAKER_05 13:29

I mean, do gargles have fur? Yeah, why did you end up there for what I don't know why?

SPEAKER_01 13:35

Somebody booked me. Maybe Greg Well, they're you know, furries I think can also include dragons and lizards and and the animals, basically. So from that standpoint, I can see how I mean gargles have hair. They don't I mean Lexington doesn't, but Angela does.

SPEAKER_03 13:55

I I have a weekly blowout.

SPEAKER_01 13:58

But that's right. Use the flowing.

SPEAKER_06 14:01

Uh you know, Goliath has hair, Domoma has hair, uh, but Broadway and like but the question that comes up a lot at these cons, especially late night, is do they indeed have the pubic hair? Do they have sex? Uh do they ejaculate? Do they um we were at one of these panels and I was not fucking prepared. What was it called? The bloombug?

SPEAKER_01 14:25

Well, I warned you. It's not like you weren't, you came in not blush, blush, blush, blush.

SPEAKER_06 14:30

What was this called? It's a late night event.

SPEAKER_01 14:33

So we had this we we had this thing, it's called the Bloombug panel. And the origin of the name is a little odd, but the idea originated with panels where in small groups you'd have a a cup of coffee with a guest. So instead of a guest being in a big panel room with a hundred or a thousand people in it, you'd sign up to do have a more intimate thing where it's more like a dozen people with the guests and they'd serve coffee. And those were it was like an auction. They would auction off having coffee with some. Some places do that, some places it just gets this the sign-up sheet, it's first come, first serve. And someone at the gargoyles convention came up with the idea of calling it mug a guest, which was this play on words of it's you're getting a coffee mug, but you're also mugging the guest, which is not at all what happened. But I'd be doing that. It was supposed to be funny. So at any event, at some point, some of the questions that were being asked of me were, I would say, on the blue side, and I didn't feel comfortable in a room that also sometimes included um children, yeah, or even young teenagers younger than 18 in in doing that. So I said, look, I'm not gonna answer those kind of questions here, but we can do a late night thing, what we'll call a blue mug panel, and we'll cart everyone at the door. They have to be at least 18 to come in. And then that in and of itself became a tradition at the gargoyles convention.

SPEAKER_06 16:10

So this blue mug panel, what were some of the questions?

SPEAKER_01 16:16

We you get questions about you know gargoyle sex and and um whether gargoyles have pubic hair and that kind of thing. Um and things I prefer to leave to the fans' imagination.

SPEAKER_06 16:30

But I also have notions in my own head because I've I've been so uh I didn't know that I don't know that I want to discuss uh Angela's pubic hair. Maybe she waxes too much.

SPEAKER_01 16:42

Only Tom asked about the pubic hair.

SPEAKER_06 16:44

But I do know I remember like I was caught off guard and they they they said like who is Angela, like what's her type or something? And I'm like, I don't know her type, but I personally am sexually attracted to Chewbacca. That went off really well. I remember that. How do you see gargoyles having sex and stuff like that? How did you envision it?

SPEAKER_01 17:04

Um in a lot of different positions, but you can also throw in flight.

SPEAKER_03 17:10

Oh, whoa, oh yeah.

SPEAKER_02 17:14

You're walking down the street and it's like, what is that?

SPEAKER_06 17:18

Yeah. That's exhilarating.

SPEAKER_01 17:21

We haven't shown one yet, but we're going to be showing a commitment ceremony between Angela and Broadway. Um Bridget and Bill. Um they get readings?

SPEAKER_05 17:33

What do they get? What do they get?

SPEAKER_01 17:35

They uh get to have sex in flight um at the end of the ceremony.

SPEAKER_06 17:42

Um High Club. Woo-hoo! Yeah, gargoyle style.

SPEAKER_01 17:46

Now, of course, I don't know what Disney's gonna allow me to depict in the comics. Uh, I don't want the comics to be X or even R rated, but I want to be able to hint at what we um do.

SPEAKER_06 17:59

I mean, Greg, we have younger readers, we have readers our age, we have readers older than us. Like it it gargoyles for some reason, like it's amazing. It's just resonates to so many people so many fucking years later. Aren't you reminded of that, Tom, when we show up at these things?

SPEAKER_02 18:17

All the time, even just in life. I mean, uh I was telling somebody on a uh podcast I was on. There were I was in uh Chipotle down the street, and the guy was asking for my order, and he stopped and he goes, he looked at me weird, and he goes, Were you Lexington and Gargoyles? Well, you I was I was floored by that about three times.

SPEAKER_06 18:40

You have the one of the most unique voices, so I'm sure that happens to you. That doesn't happen to me. I I get like, do did I go to high school with you? And I'm like, dude, you jerked off to one of my movies in the 90s because you're confused. You're just confused, Greg. Now I have a light feminine voice, which is why I worked for the young teenage Angela, but I had these fierce fucking growls, and you told me once you had to mix my voice with what a fucking cheetah. What did you do? Is that right? A what? Cougar. Huh. Like you well, wasn't that foreshadowing? Okay, but um bum.

SPEAKER_01 19:21

But we enhanced uh almost everybody uh a little bit. Uh the mayor, the exception was probably Keith who required no nothing. Big daddy. Um but uh uh but we put little uh added animal growls in with everybody. But the the main thing I want to say about your growl is how much you grew as a growler across the show. Because the first time it was the worst. Damie asked you to do it, and it was like, okay, that's a nice little kitten, but we need uh that was a lot for me. And it's like let loose.

SPEAKER_06 20:05

Um you should see what the menopause version of Angela can do, because I'm growling and screaming all over the fucking place. I can do it.

SPEAKER_01 20:13

The thing is that you grew into that aspect of the role, and by the uh by the end of season two, you could growl with the best of them.

SPEAKER_06 20:23

There you go. Well, I had great leaders, great cast, great everybody around me, and uh I absolutely loved it.

SPEAKER_02 20:31

I just remember I was just notorious for taking my pants, pulling my pants down at cons. I don't know how that happened or how it oh, I know how it happened. I had a contest, they had a contest to see who was gonna draw my next tattoo. And this one woman drew a uh coyote, and then it was like with like uh really cool symbols inside the the actual coyote, and I put it, it's right right next to my manhood, and it's here. And so I everybody wanted to see it, so I would always pull my I started to pull my pants down and it became a thing.

SPEAKER_01 21:10

That's not where it started. I'm sorry, I love you, but that's not how it started. It's not that's how where it evolved to, but it it started with you were wearing Gardwell's underpants.

SPEAKER_03 21:22

What? I want a pair.

SPEAKER_01 21:24

What some a fan gave me Lexington um you would pull your pants down to show them your gargoyle's underwear, and that started really early on. If you put underwear tattoo thing got added in. But um it started where you at least kept your underwear on. Then later you were like taking that off too. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 21:48

If you got me some gargoyle underwear, I will moon everybody you want me to. I will take it on tour. I will take it on fucking tour. Yes, amazing. And what dirty things have you done over? Oh, great creator.

SPEAKER_01 22:01

You just say I am an introvert. I don't do that kind of stuff. It just lets us go out. I create a forum for you guys to be watching.

SPEAKER_06 22:13

Forum. That's what they're calling it now. But it but it is incredible. Do you and you've both done so many more cartoons than me? I've only done those three, and then I just went off and didn't do them anymore because I'm dumb. Because I love them. But do you get the same kind of fandom from your other cartoons, or is Gargoyles just a little bit on another level?

SPEAKER_01 22:34

I think it's on another level, completely. I think Gargoyles fans are the greatest in the world.

SPEAKER_06 22:40

They are. They're so loyal. They introduced their children to it. People were there with their kids. They watched it as kids.

SPEAKER_02 22:48

And it's just it's just sort of amazing. Somebody just said to me not too long ago that they got their kids when it started showing on um Apple Plus.

SPEAKER_01 22:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 22:58

Um they said, Yeah, now my kids are watching it. Yeah, it's amazing.

SPEAKER_01 23:02

I think the kids watched the show. Uh and um, I mean, we there were couples who were formed from the show. Um, but also there were fans couples who got together at one of the cons. They met in the costume contest. Tom and I sort of put them together because they had complimentary costumes. Yep. And then a year later, during the contest, uh he proposed. And so I said, Well, a year from now you guys need to get married at the con. They chose to get married at on their own side.

SPEAKER_06 23:42

We're fuckers. Oh my god, we're getting we're getting people to hook up.

SPEAKER_02 23:46

I had a hookup with one of the fans a few times. John, hey, you wouldn't mind me telling John Clemens, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 23:55

Oh, we're naming names. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 23:58

He was in the Canadian um army and he fought in like Iraq. Hot.

SPEAKER_06 24:05

Hot, hot, Canada hot. Well, I'll tell you that when uh my career started and I was working with really fancy, famous directors all over the world, I never would have said that this cartoon is what I am so known for and loved for. It's kind of amazing. I'm hoping it comes back live action or not. I'm hoping I will work on my voice. Because when I listen back to this podcast, I'm like, as a voiceover person, I've I've got to practice. But Tom, I can see you walking into any room. You, Keith, you are recognizable immediately. Immediately. And what do you see are a great Obi-Wan Kenobi Grand Pooba for the future of Gargoyles and where this show in the galaxy may go?

SPEAKER_01 24:54

So we've been doing gargoyles comics and they've been uh quite successful, and um, and they're more publishing things on the Verizon.

SPEAKER_06 25:01

Where can people buy these comics? Online?

SPEAKER_01 25:04

You can buy them online, you can buy them on Amazon, you can buy them at any comic book store.

SPEAKER_06 25:09

Um is it this story continued or different stories? It is. Okay. Wonderful. Am I still amazing? What do I get better with age?

SPEAKER_01 25:21

You do, although it's still the series is set in 1998, so you haven't aged much.

SPEAKER_06 25:26

Uh I love 1998.

SPEAKER_01 25:28

Let's keep it we are.

SPEAKER_06 25:31

I got no problem with 1998.

SPEAKER_01 25:35

We appreciate that. I mean, no hurry to catch up to the present at all.

SPEAKER_06 25:39

No, no fucking way. So tell me, gentlemen, you brilliant gentlemen, what um are you working on now?

SPEAKER_02 25:45

I've been working on commercials. I'm the voice of a uh pepperoni stick for Sapporo cheese. I mean, who gives a pepperoni stick?

SPEAKER_06 25:55

Oh, of course you're a stick, baby.

SPEAKER_02 25:57

Yes.

SPEAKER_06 25:58

All right. I fucking love that. I love that.

SPEAKER_01 26:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 26:02

Amazing. And you, Mr. Weisman?

SPEAKER_01 26:05

I do have the gargoyles comics, and I have a couple other projects it is too early to talk about.

SPEAKER_06 26:10

I have one final question about gargoyles sex since this show is my first threesome. What is a gargoyle's orgasm like?

SPEAKER_01 26:20

Great. Um, it is uh largely the same as a human board, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 26:26

Really? Like purple doesn't explode in the air and no fire.

SPEAKER_02 26:31

And can they come multiple times? That's my question. If you want them to, they can.

SPEAKER_06 26:37

If you want them to, they can and they shall. Well, well, well. Who knew we were doing a fucking porn? It's back in the 90s, getting everybody off. We thought this was for kids. Um, I have been so honored to be a part of this world. I don't know how I got so lucky. I love everyone involved, and uh, I love you guys, and I really hope I can sit next to you, Tom, again, because you made it so fun. And I really made fun of those cons, those early cons, but I've had so much fun at the last one. I brought my best friend and my best friend Janice, and we just had the greatest time in the city of Minneapolis. They were so wonderful to us, and that was really fun. When you give me the call, I'm gonna show up, okay? I'm gonna sign some autographs, and I'm gonna sell my fucking yeah, who can say that?

SPEAKER_02 27:35

It's rare.

SPEAKER_06 27:37

Okay, I love you guys. I want to do this again and again and again with you. Uh, thank you so much, and uh, thank you for coming on my podcast.

SPEAKER_02 27:45

Oh, I love you too, and I love you, Greg.

SPEAKER_03 27:48

And we'll talk nice soon.

SPEAKER_04 27:56

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